**WWII Casualty** Can anyone please help me regarding John Evans, who married Elsie, of Brown Edge, Staffordshire? I know that John was Staffordshire born, and that he served in the 50th Tank Regiment during WWII and was Killed in Action on the 22nd March 1943, in Tunisia. At the time of John’s death, Elsie was still residing in Brown Edge. How old was John? Thank you so much. Ken UKIPA533@yahoo.com
I was in the First Brown Edge Cubs from 1972 to June 1974 but moved away to Manchester at the end of year six. We used to meet on a Wednesday night in St Annes school Hall singing songs such as The Worm Song.
Please can you confirm what year the picture of the cubs were taken?
The school picture of the children at St Annes in the seventies has two teachers. I believe the teacher is Mr Ellis at the back and Mr Heath on the right.
Hi to the lovely people of Brown Edge,
I am wondering if anyone can help me locate pictures of my Grandfather, Auckland Horne. He was in the RAF and I have been advised he was a navigator and that his pictures appear in some of your history books. If this is true and someone CAN help then this would be amazing as my family do not own any as they were stolen from my mothers house whilst I was a baby… Here`s hoping,
Does anyone out there have a picture of the Roebuck? I am trying to get one for my brother Jonathan ‘s 50th birthday. He grew up there with John and Pat Connell.
Hi i am Brian Nixon and i remember him playing at the club .Great times ,full of great people .Alan Lancet at the club he gave me job as bottle lad (filling the back fixtures with bottled drinks) i worked for about an hour at 6 pm and got thirty bob for 5 days but on Saturdays Alan would allow himself to indulge a bit more than usual and when busy i would top up the shelves at about 9 pm while bingo was on and he would always give me a 10 bob note rolled up in a ball (not bad for 10 min work 50 odd years ago)
leo for meddlers is one of the most travelled and changed mysterious sayings.. in the USA i’ve heard layovers for meddlers, or layovers catch meddlers, or layos catch meddloes etc.. mostly changing because it’s mostly a spoken saying said to curios children. leo’s or layovers are traps/trouble that you’ll get entangled in for meddling curiosity.
Hello Peter, I found some emails from 2017, and you asked for my grandad, George Bournes’ siblings and their spouses names. I cannot remember if I sent them, as this email was perhaps hidden somewhere. Grandad was treasurer at Ball Green Club. I remember the wonderful dances to live bands on a Saturday evening. The highlight of the year was New Year,s Eve. As my family was either related through birth or employment to everyone , it was like a weekly family get- together. We children had wonderful times playing up and down the stairs, and playing outside in the car park. No-one seemed worried about us, as we felt perfectly safe. Over to the chip shop opposite before driving home to Newchapel.
My second cousin, Anne Hodgekinson of South Street has a wonderful memory, I will ask her what she can recall. Mr Parr was a committee member or perhaps chairman. I will search my photos. The highlight of the year was the club trip to Blackpool, by train from Ford Green. Members’ children got 5 bob to spend in Blackpool. We were given ricci and crisps for the journey and the children were treated to chips and egg, tea, bread and butter and ice cream in Woolworths cafe before our return. In the sixties the club thrived but membership fell in the eighties. The club gave camaraderie to the lives of hardworking men who had the fellowship of the pit. Grandad had many friends and the club was his second home.
I would like to inform you that Philip and I had a sister Valerie ,she is buried in the church graveyard, new cemetery .
Hope you are well
I was married to fred and beryl willotts son and am trying to find freds parents names his mum was a simcock named sarah jane but I can only find a sarah jane berrisford married to a john willott if you could help I would be very grateful as I am researching this side of the famIly for the family tree many thanks millie willott
John Thomas Willott married sarah Jane Syncock in 1924 his Father was Charles Willott (1864-) and Mother Harriett Ann Sheldon (1868-)
I was born Janet Mountford. My great great uncle was John Mountford born in 1816 and married to Kate Holdcroft . their gravestones are in the churchyard at St Anne’s Brown Edge. John’s brother was Hugh and there were two sisters Eliza and Jemima.. I have John’s family bible and I should like to give it to one of his relatives. I believe John and Kate lived at Singleton Farm. My email address is
I think most of Brownedge are related to this branch of the Mountfords especially as I think Johns Grandfather was William, Married a Mary Hargreaves Brown Edge Parish Council are setting up an archive of village documents and if you cant find anyone more suitable WE would love to have it so that it is made available for people forever. Many Thanks.
That is great! As soon as this virus is over, I will bring it over. I am intrigued by his grandfather being William because I have him as the son of Joseph Mountford and Mary Sherratt and his grandparents being Joseph Mountford and Ann Brindley. I have Joseph and Mary’s 30th wedding anniversary commemorative jug.
I should have said great-grandson but I too have joseph and mary as parents but then Thomas and Judith Ibbs. which sounds like its wrong but I’m not surprised at that as the Mountford families are challenging. I wish some Male Mountfords would do a y DNA test! I have 7 different Mountford lines and none seem to come together at the top yet.
By the way its called Singlet House now (is it referenced anywhere as singleton?) and the Mountford did live there before the Durbers and then it was the Shufflebothams. If it was Singleton by the way that is quite significant as it would mean that it’s saxon in origin.
my name is Colin Sheldon son of Sam Sheldon of Stein Fields farm broad lane brown edge my grandfarther was Samuel Sheldon son of my great grandfarther
Richard Sheldon of the lump of coal brown edge
I have a photo of my grandad sid stood outside, kay gave it to me years ago
Hi Is the photo of grandad .Sid Simcock .I worked at LS Harrisons Butchers in sandy lane with him in 1952 for five years .Good times .Keith
So Robert Nixon born 1890 would have been your great grandad,father of Robert Harry,Clarence,Ivor and your grandad Maurice.
During my childhood i can remember “Bob Nixon” and I am sure his wife was bedridden for a long time before she passed away,I cant recall her name she of course would have been your great grand mother.
So your dad was also Maurice jnr who was son of Maurice snr,hope i am getting there!!
That certainly puts us in the same bloodline as brothers Albert and Robert they also had another brother Harold.
My Dad John Nixon therefore was cousin to Ivor,Norman,Clarence,Robert Harry,and your grandad Maurice snr.
Not sure what title we would get out of this but certainly related.
I have just read your history of the Nixons. Olive Bailey was my great x 4 grandmother. I read with interest that her mother was a Farnsworth. Where did you find this information?
I am related to the Hancocks of Brown Edge. Charlotte Han(d)cock born in Brown Edge married James Goldstraw of Grindon Moor. Their son Thomas Goldstraw is my grandfather. My mum who has passed on was Grace Amelia Goldstraw. John Han(d)cock Charlotte’s father was a coal miner.
I just thought I ought to let you know that your family are included in the Brownedge family tree, and you are my third cousin once removed.
Hi Richard you are my third cousin. You have plenty of relations still on Brown Edge
So interesting to read about my ancestors.
My father’s family were the Copes from Cornhill, Norton and we have a family tree which lists the Iron Foundry at Norton Green, also other Foundries in earlier years.
Fascinating read. Honor was my great aunt, my grandad Sam Dawson was her brother. She taught my father Fred Dawson at Brown Edge school, and then my brother, sister and lastly me at Endon School. She was a fearsome teacher and made sure the three of us sat at the front of the class so she could keep an eye on us. Lovely lady though, one of a kind.
My name is Ralph H. Sandmeyer III. My grandfather was the radio operator on the B24 that crashed in Brown Edge. It has always been my desire to visit Brown Edge. I’d be happy to share some of my grandfather’s military photos if you’d like to add them to your page.
There are not so many people left on the village that can remember the crash now! but I managed to get someone who was actally in the field when the plane came down to tell me about it before she passed away. My Dad told me about it first of course when I was a boy he said it circled Brown Edge and dumped fuel because he got on his bike when he saw it in trouble but that doesnt fit in with official records. After it had landed it was on fire and one villager who had been in the first war attempted to get inside because he thought people were still inside and his hair and clothes set on fire. Most people knew that a lady was on board as well and my etewitness said when everyone jumped out of the plane she clearly remembers the lady stopping and brushing her hair! The others shouted at her to get behind the wall.
Any information you have would be gratefully appreciated.
It’s good to remember this little bit of piece of history. Its only a miniscule part of what was a massive undertaking by the allies but each part was an element of the overall victory.
A very interesting read. My grandad Frank Jervis married Alice May Davenport. I was told that their eldest son Frank Ashley, my dad was also born at Hobbs House. I wonder if Frank and Alice were living with Davenport relations at the time? I do know that later the Davenports were living across St Anne’s Vale
My mums nan and grandpa lived on Hilltop farm , I only knew her as nanny Tomkinson . Her daughter ( my Nan ) was called Marion Tomkinson .
Excerpt from “A likely story”, researching the Mountford family, by George Clifford Mountford, my late cousin. I suggested he name the history “Sermon on the Mountfords” but he wisely passed…
Fred Mountford, my grandfather, was born in 1881 at or near “The Lump of Coal” a public house in those days, but now a private residence at Brown Edge. Census records show that Fred’s brother George and sister Martha had followed their parents into the tailoring trade whilst John had become an earthenware potter, Joseph an ironworker, Harry was a colliery clerk and Thomas was running a business at home making locks.
Fred decided he wanted to be a Millwright. This was the pinnacle of the Steam Age and most mills would have been converted by this time from water or wind power to steam. Later records show him building and repairing machinery at Burgess and Leigh’s pottery which lies between the Trent and Mersey canal and Port St. in Middleport. He became well known and respected as a Millwright within the Potteries and once was sent to Bruges in Belgium to erect a steam engine for use in that city. Presumably that engine had been designed, made and exported by Boultons Engineers of Burslem.
Fred married his wife Bertha Stonier (from Tunstall) and they lived at 73 Forster St. Middleport, a few hundred yards from Burgess and Leigh’s works. They raised seven children. Elizabeth (Betty) 1906, Bertha 1913, Ida 1915 (my mother) Kathleen 1917, Edna May 1919, George Clifford 1907, Frederick 1910.
On the night of Friday 8th January 1943 tragedy visited 73 Forster Street, Middleport (from the Evening Sentinel). A middle-aged couple were fatally gassed and a daughter (Kathleen) was taken to hospital suffering from gas poisoning today as the result of an escape from a fractured main in the street at the front of their house. My mother found discovered the tragedy and raised the alarm, informing the police and medical aid. She was the only other occupant of the house. The houses at the bottom of the (now) Woolrich St. have now been demolished. No other houses were affected by the leakage.
I have more details if you are interested. Please use the subject “Mountford” if you reply to me. I took a photo for my cousin Clifford of the house that I was told was formerly the Lump of Coal. Do you have a contemporary one?
Fred’s brother George was my grandfather. My family tree gives Fred marrying Bertha Stonier in 1905 then living at 73 Foster Street in 1911 with George Clifford aged 3.
My grandfather George’s son, Gordon Clifford, a builder, was my father.
I am sorry i have only just spotted this comment. Many thanks for sending it in. the strange thing is there is only one photo I know of with the lump of coal i will contact you on your email you have provided.
I am the granddaughter of Charles Edgar Burrows who is on the photograph receiving the darts trophy. He lived in Wiifeld Lane, Brown Edge. My grandmother made the lucky mascots. Many years ago I contacted Alan Hayes and he told me that my grandad and someone else (it could have been Alan himself) during the second World War raised funds for the soldiers when they were home on leave. My grandad held a raffle and raffled my mums dolls to raise money. I would love it very much if a member of Alan’s family could contact me. I never managed to visit him and regret this very much. He had lots to tell me about my grandad. I look forward to someone emailing me. Thank you for your time reading this.
Hi Denise im sorry as I have only just spotted your message.
Yes Edgar kept a book behind the bar and anyone coming into the Corner (locals name for the Roebuck) would leave a drink for someone serving so that when they came home there would always be a drink for them.
The problem is when elder members of families pass away there is noone to ask about stuff! Alan had 2 girls and a son and I will try to make contact with them. I suspect they wont be able to remember Edgar. Perhaps you can help me. I notice that Harry Turners second wife is brenda Burrows and i have always wondered if she was related to your family.
could i please have a link for my research, i have ancestors named Pointon, Sheldon and Turner
I’m sorry as I have only just noticed your comment. Pointon Sheldon and Turner! You must be a Brownedger! The best way to access the tree which gas over 30,000 people linked to brown edge is to access via my ancestry account do you have an ancestry account and I could share the link.
its easier if you reply to Pete@brownedge.com
Hi when I lived at Norton we used to catch one of your buses to Hanley from outside the park on Ford Green Road just below the crossroads.
I am writing a family history/tree book for my sister and would like to include ‘Memories of Norton’ and hope to include the big brown bus in it. What I cannot remember is the service number.
Could you help please?
We never used a service number and the buses weren’t brown they were Tudor Maroon and cream with silver trim. The official company colours were green and ivory until we changed the deckers to Tudor maroon in 1959.
Bacca Simcock was my Grandfather who lived on Fiddlers bank and was married to Elizabeth who was a postwoman. They had a number of children- Brian, Keith,David, Ray (my dad) Frank, Joe, Nancy, Florence, Violet, I think there were 14 in total
There was also OJD 128R which along with OJD 164R replaced VBF and JRF in1982.These were replaced by EWY78 and 79Y in 1987 shortly before the sale to PMT.
That is correct Cliff I will add them in. There is also the first bus we had which was a Vulcan we had early in 1921 I believe Ken Proctor had one as well.
Hello from Jaimie McEvoy in Canada, Great Grandson of Arthur Goodwin of Bank End Farm.
On the afternoon of Aug 15th 1944,myself and pals from Norton in the Moors were watching a match at Knypersley cricket ground Biddulph. At the southern end there was a coppice of tall trees.Suddenly a Lancaster Bomber, at very low alttude flew down th pitch. The plane flying N-S went through the tops of the Trees,branches were ripped off. One engine started to smoke.The Plane veered to the East, towards Endon and Leek. On the next day news came that the bomber had crash landed in a field behind Brown Edge.I went on a search, found the site but it was cordoned off.However I found a crumpled piece aluminium,one side painted yellow , outside the crash site My souvenir ! I retained this despite house moves over the Years. What a Blessing all of the crew survived.
Very old Nortonian.!!
My great grandfather George Mountford was born 1838.He was the second child of Joseph and Martha Mountford. Anecdotal wisdom has it that he was born near The Lump of Coal.He married Elizabeth Turner and was a tailor.Their son George was born in November 1870, my grandfather, a tailor in Smallthorne.My grandfather died in 1938.